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Donchian Channel and the Turtle Experiment: the Source Reports a 35% Win Rate and Flat Results After 1986

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One-line summary

Upper = highest high of N periods, lower = lowest low, middle = their average. Developed by Richard Donchian. The Turtle experiment of 1983-84 applied a similar breakout rule.

The channel is three lines and no arithmetic beyond max and min

The construction is the simplest of the common indicators. The channel **"is formed by taking the highest high and the lowest low of the last n periods"**, so **Upper = HighestHigh(N)**, **Lower = LowestLow(N)** and **Middle = (Upper + Lower) / 2**. ★**There is no averaging and no standard deviation** — which means none of the divisor or smoothing ambiguities that affect Bollinger Bands or RSI arise here. It was **developed by Richard Donchian**.[1]

The stated signal rule is symmetric. **"If a security trades above its highest n periods high, then a long is established. If it trades below its lowest n periods low, then a short is established."** The channel also doubles as a volatility picture: **"If a price is stable the Donchian channel will be relatively narrow. If the price fluctuates a lot the Donchian channel will be wider."** ★**Originally the periods were daily**, though the article notes modern platforms allow any interval.[1]

★The source reports the indicator as ineffective

The article does not stop at the definition. It states that **"extensive backtesting utilizing 360 years of exchange data and 4,887 test trades with the default setting of 20 indicates that the Donchian channel indicator was ineffective."** ★**The reported win rate is 35% of trades.**[1]

The arithmetic that follows is worth reading carefully, because it is nearly positive and then is not. **Combined with a reward-to-risk ratio of 2.0:1, that win rate "yields an expected profit of 5 cents per dollar invested."** **"While this is positive, when combined with slippage, this indicator might be unprofitable."** ★**So the edge, as the source describes it, is small enough that execution costs can erase it** — not a conclusion this page reached, but the one the reference states. ★**This page did not verify the backtest or locate its underlying study.**[1]

★The Turtles: a bet about whether trading can be taught

The best-known application of a channel-breakout rule came from a wager. **Richard Dennis "believed that successful trading could be taught"**, and **"to settle a debate on that point with William Eckhardt"** he **"recruited and trained 21 men and two women, in two groups, one from December 1983, and the other from December 1984."** The group became known as the **Turtles**.[2]

The training was brief and the rule was a range breakout. Dennis trained them **"for only two weeks about a simple trend-following system, trading a range of commodities, currencies, and bond markets, buying when prices increased above their recent range, and selling when they fell below their recent range."** They were **"taught to cut position size during losing periods and to pyramid aggressively."** ★**Position sizing was part of the system, not an afterthought.** After a one-month trial capped at 12 contracts per market, successful participants managed **$250,000 to $2 million** of Dennis's own funds, and the experiment **"reportedly had earned an aggregate profit of $175 million"** when it ended five years later.[2]

★What happened when the same rules were tested later

★**This is the part usually left out of the Turtle story.** The article notes the exact system **"has been published in at least two books and can be back-tested to check its performance in recent years"**, and reports the outcome plainly: ★**"The result of such back-test shows a drastic drop in performance after 1986, and even a flat performance from 1996 to 2009."** It adds that several Turtles nonetheless went on to run their own firms.[2]

The article also characterises the era the original results came from. Describing the trending inflationary markets of the 1970s — repeated crop failures and the 1972 Soviet wheat purchases — it says this was a period in which ★**"anyone with a simple trend-following method and a dart board could make a million dollars."** ★**Read together, the source is pointing at the market regime rather than the rule.** ★**This page does not attempt to apportion the result between the two**, and notes that Dennis himself **"reportedly lost $10 million"** in the 1987 crash and settled investor complaints of **failing to follow his own rules** for over $2.5 million in 1990, **without admitting or denying wrongdoing.**[2]

What this page has not established

★**Both sources are Wikipedia articles on a single domain (en.wikipedia.org), so this page rests on one institution with no independent cross-check.** ★**There is no Wikipedia article titled "Turtle Trading" as of 2026-09-23** — the Turtle material here comes from the Richard Dennis biography. ★**The backtests cited (the 360-year Donchian test and the Turtle system test) were not located or read**; they are reported as the articles summarise them, with no access to their methods, instruments or cost assumptions.[1][2]

★**Not established:** what "360 years of exchange data" covers (the phrase may aggregate many instruments over shorter spans), what slippage assumption would flip the 5-cent figure negative, which N values were tested beyond the default 20, and the exact entry and exit rules the Turtles used. **As of 2026-09-23.**[1][2]

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The Donchian channel was developed by Richard Donchian and "is formed by taking the highest high and the lowest low of the last n periods", with Upper = HighestHigh(N), Lower = LowestLow(N) and Middle = (Upper + Lower) / 2.[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia Donchian channel, definition and formula sections

The article states the primary use is signals: "If a security trades above its highest n periods high, then a long is established. If it trades below its lowest n periods low, then a short is established."[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia Donchian channel, usage paragraph

It reports that "extensive backtesting utilizing 360 years of exchange data and 4,887 test trades with the default setting of 20 indicates that the Donchian channel indicator was ineffective", yielding "a win rate of 35% of trades" and, with a 2.0:1 reward-to-risk ratio, "an expected profit of 5 cents per dollar invested", adding that "when combined with slippage, this indicator might be unprofitable".[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia Donchian channel, backtesting paragraph

Richard Dennis recruited and trained 21 men and two women in two groups from December 1983 and December 1984, known as the Turtles, for two weeks in "a simple trend-following system… buying when prices increased above their recent range, and selling when they fell below their recent range."[2] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia Richard Dennis, Turtles section

The experiment arose from a debate with William Eckhardt over whether successful trading could be taught; Dennis believed it could.[2] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia Richard Dennis, Turtles section

The article states that back-testing the published Turtle system "shows a drastic drop in performance after 1986, and even a flat performance from 1996 to 2009", while noting several Turtles went on to run their own firms.[2] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia Richard Dennis, Turtles section

Of the 1970s the article says it was a period in which "anyone with a simple trend-following method and a dart board could make a million dollars."[2] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia Richard Dennis, early trading section

Breakouts of the channel are conventionally read as entry signals, but whether acting on them produces a profit is not addressed by this page.[1] single-source ×1 · Scope limitation of this page — editorial, not sourced

Timeline

  1. 1972

    Soviet agents purchase around 30% of the US wheat crop, part of the trending 1970s markets described in the source.[2]

  2. 1983-12

    Dennis recruits the first Turtle group to settle a debate with William Eckhardt.[2]

  3. 1984-01

    After two weeks of training, Turtles receive trading accounts capped at 12 contracts per market.[2]

  4. 1986

    Back-tests of the published Turtle system show a drastic drop in performance after this year.[2]

  5. 1987

    Dennis reportedly loses $10 million in the Black Monday crash.[2]

  6. 1990

    His firm settles investor complaints of failing to follow his own rules for over $2.5 million, without admitting or denying wrongdoing.[2]

  7. 2026-09-23

    Reference date for this page. Both Wikipedia articles read on this day.[1][2]

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Frequently asked

How is a Donchian channel calculated?

Upper is the highest high of the last N periods, lower is the lowest low, and the middle line is their average. There is no moving average or standard deviation involved.[1]

Does the Donchian channel work?

The source reports a backtest over 360 years of exchange data and 4,887 trades at the default setting of 20 that found the indicator "ineffective", with a 35% win rate. At a 2:1 reward-to-risk ratio that is 5 cents expected profit per dollar, which the article says "might be unprofitable" once slippage is included.[1]

What were the Turtles?

A group of 21 men and two women recruited by Richard Dennis in December 1983 and December 1984 to settle a debate with William Eckhardt over whether trading can be taught. They were trained for two weeks in a range-breakout trend-following system and reportedly earned an aggregate $175 million over five years.[2]

Does the Turtle system still work?

The source states that back-testing the published system "shows a drastic drop in performance after 1986, and even a flat performance from 1996 to 2009". This page did not locate or verify that back-test.[2]

Was the Turtles' success due to the rules or the era?

This page does not apportion it. The same article describes the 1970s as a period in which "anyone with a simple trend-following method and a dart board could make a million dollars", and separately reports the post-1986 decline in back-tested performance.[2]

Sources

  1. [1] Donchian channel
    Wikipedia (English) · 2026-09-23
  2. [2] Richard Dennis
    Wikipedia (English) · 2026-09-23

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