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RSI: Wilder's Smoothing Makes the Value Depend on Where Your Data Starts

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Momentum oscillator by J. Welles Wilder (1978), scaled 0-100, usually over 14 periods with lines at 70 and 30. Wilder smoothing makes the value depend on the data start point.

★Why two platforms give different RSI for the same prices

The RSI has a quirk that surprises people comparing charts, and it has a name. Averages of up and down moves use **"an n-period smoothed or modified moving average (SMMA or MMA), which is the exponentially smoothed moving average with alpha = 1/n"**. Because that average has no fixed window, every value carries some weight from every earlier bar.[1]

★**The consequence is that the number depends on how much history you fed it.** Cutler found that **"since Wilder used a smoothed moving average to calculate RSI, the value of Wilder's RSI depended upon where in the data file his calculations started. Cutler termed this Data Length Dependency."** ★**So the same instrument, the same 14-period setting and the same closing prices can yield different RSI values on two platforms** if one loaded more history than the other.[1]

There is a variant without the problem. **Cutler's RSI uses a simple moving average of U and D instead of the exponential one**, is **"not data length dependent"**, and **"returns consistent results regardless of the length of, or the starting point within a data file."** The article notes it **"generally comes out slightly different from the normal Wilder RSI, but the two are similar, since SMA and SMMA are also similar."** ★**Neither is wrong; they are different definitions, and a comparison should say which one it used.**[1]

★**How far back the dependency reaches follows from the formula above.** With alpha = 1/n, the weight carried by a bar k periods back is (1 - 1/n)^k. ★**For the standard n = 14 that is about 0.108 at k = 30, 0.0117 at k = 60, and 0.000137 at k = 120** — halving roughly every 9.4 periods and falling below 0.1% after about 93. ★**These figures are arithmetic from the stated smoothing constant, not a measurement reported by the source.** ★★**And they bound the weight of old data, not the difference in the RSI value.** A small weight multiplied by a large price move can still shift the result, so ★**a decayed weight does not by itself make the two calculations agree.** ★**How much the values actually differ for a given instrument and history length is not established here** — it depends on what happened in those early bars, which the decay constant says nothing about.[1]

How it is built

For each period the change is split in two. **An up period sets U to the rise and D to zero; a down period sets U to zero and D to the fall; an unchanged close sets both to zero.** ★**Both U and D are non-negative** — the sign is carried by which bucket the move lands in, not by the number itself. RS is then the ratio of the averaged U to the averaged D, and the index is scaled into 0-100.[1]

The indicator was **developed by J. Welles Wilder and published in a 1978 book, New Concepts in Technical Trading Systems, and in Commodities magazine in the June 1978 issue.** **Wilder recommended a smoothing period of 14.** It is **"classified as a momentum oscillator, measuring the velocity and magnitude of price movements."** ★**The article also warns it "should not be confused with relative strength"** — a different concept comparing one asset against another.[1]

★70/30 is a default, not a boundary of the instrument

The familiar lines are conventions. The RSI is **"most typically used on a 14-day timeframe… with high and low levels marked at 70 and 30, respectively"**, and **"short or longer timeframes are used for alternately shorter or longer outlooks."** ★**The source lists alternatives in the same breath:** **"high and low levels - 80 and 20, or 90 and 10 - occur less frequently but indicate stronger momentum."**[1]

A further reading shifts the levels by trend. **Andrew Cardwell is reported to hold that uptrends generally trade between RSI 40 and 80 while downtrends trade between 60 and 20**, with a **"range shift"** when trend direction changes. ★**This page flags the sourcing:** the Wikipedia section carrying Cardwell's interpretations is **tagged as citing no sources, a tag dated June 2014.** ★**It is reported here as an attributed reading, not as an established result.**[1]

★Wilder and Cardwell read divergence in opposite directions

**Wilder "believed that divergence between RSI and price action is a very strong indication that a market turning point is imminent."** Specifically, **bearish divergence is price making a new high while RSI makes a lower high**, and **bullish divergence is price making a new low while RSI makes a higher low.** He also treated **"failure swings" above and below 50** as reversal indications, and took **50 as the centre line, often seen as both support and resistance.**[1]

★**Cardwell's reading inverts the conclusion.** He is reported to note that bearish divergence **"1) only occurs in uptrends, and 2) mostly only leads to a brief correction instead of a reversal in trend"**, and therefore that **"bearish divergence is a sign confirming an uptrend"**, with bullish divergence confirming a downtrend. ★**Same pattern, opposite inference** — one treats it as a reversal warning, the other as trend confirmation. ★**This page does not adjudicate between them**, and notes again that the Cardwell material sits in the unsourced section.[1]

★The source reports RSI losing to buy-and-hold over long horizons

The article carries a test result rather than a claim of effectiveness. **Marek and Sediva (2017)** tested RSI **"with recommended parameters and its day-to-day optimization"** against other strategies, **"randomised in time and companies (e.g., Apple, Exxon Mobil, IBM, Microsoft)"**, and found that RSI **"can still produce good results; however, in longer time it is usually overcome by the simple buy-and-hold strategy."**[1]

★**This page carries no backtest figures of its own and makes no judgement about whether the indicator works.** The conventional reading — **"buy when the security or currency is oversold and sell when it is overbought"** — is recorded as the convention. ★**Whether acting on it produces a profit is not addressed here.**[1]

What this page has not established

★**This page rests on one institution — a single Wikipedia article — with no independent cross-check.** ★**Wilder's 1978 book was not consulted**, nor was the Marek and Sediva paper; both are reported as the article summarises them. ★**Investopedia, a usual second reference for this topic, returned HTTP 402 on 2026-09-23 and could not be read.**[1]

★**Not established:** the resulting difference in RSI values for a given instrument and history length (the weight decay above bounds the cause, not the effect), which platforms implement Wilder smoothing versus a simple average, how the first RSI value is seeded, and whether 14 periods outperforms other settings. ★**Two sections of the source article carry "does not cite any sources" tags** (June 2014 and February 2023), and material from them is marked as such above. **As of 2026-09-23.**[1]

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The RSI was developed by J. Welles Wilder and published in his 1978 book New Concepts in Technical Trading Systems and in Commodities magazine in June 1978.[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, history paragraph

The RSI is "most typically used on a 14-day timeframe, measured on a scale from 0 to 100, with high and low levels marked at 70 and 30". The article adds that "high and low levels - 80 and 20, or 90 and 10 - occur less frequently but indicate stronger momentum".[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, opening section

Averages of up and down changes use "an n-period smoothed or modified moving average (SMMA or MMA), which is the exponentially smoothed moving average with alpha = 1/n".[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, Calculation section

Cutler found that "since Wilder used a smoothed moving average to calculate RSI, the value of Wilder's RSI depended upon where in the data file his calculations started. Cutler termed this Data Length Dependency."[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, Cutler's RSI section

Cutler's RSI uses a simple moving average of U and D instead, is not data length dependent, and "returns consistent results regardless of the length of, or the starting point within a data file", coming out "slightly different from the normal Wilder RSI".[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, Cutler's RSI section

Wilder held that divergence between RSI and price is a strong indication a turning point is imminent: bearish divergence when price makes a new high but RSI a lower high, bullish when price makes a new low but RSI a higher low.[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, Divergence section

Andrew Cardwell reportedly holds that uptrends generally trade between RSI 40 and 80 and downtrends between 60 and 20, and that bearish divergence "only occurs in uptrends" and mostly leads to a brief correction rather than a reversal, making it a sign confirming an uptrend. The section carrying this is tagged as citing no sources since June 2014.[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, Uptrends and downtrends section (unsourced tag)

Marek and Sediva (2017) tested RSI with recommended parameters across randomised times and companies and found it "can still produce good results; however, in longer time it is usually overcome by the simple buy-and-hold strategy".[1] single-source ×1 · Wikipedia RSI, testing paragraph

Overbought and oversold readings are conventionally treated as trading signals, but whether acting on them produces a profit is not addressed by this page.[1] single-source ×1 · Scope limitation of this page — editorial, not sourced

Because the smoothing uses alpha = 1/n, the weight of a bar k periods back is (1 - 1/n)^k; for n = 14 this is about 0.108 at k = 30 and 0.000137 at k = 120. This is arithmetic from the stated constant, not a figure reported by the source. This bounds the weight of old data, not the resulting difference in the RSI value.[1] single-source ×1 · Arithmetic derived from the smoothing constant given in the Calculation section

Timeline

  1. 1978-06

    Wilder publishes the RSI in New Concepts in Technical Trading Systems and in Commodities magazine.[1]

  2. 2014-06

    The Wikipedia section carrying Cardwell interpretations is tagged as citing no sources.[1]

  3. 2017

    Marek and Sediva report RSI usually overcome by buy-and-hold over longer horizons.[1]

  4. 2026-09-23

    Reference date for this page. The Wikipedia article was read on this day.[1]

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Frequently asked

Why does my RSI differ from another platform?

Wilder's smoothing has no fixed window, so the value depends on how much history was loaded. Cutler called this Data Length Dependency. Cutler's RSI, which uses a simple moving average, is not data length dependent and gives consistent results regardless of the start point.[1]

Is 70/30 the correct overbought and oversold level?

It is the most typical setting, not a fixed property. Wikipedia notes that 80/20 or 90/10 occur less frequently but indicate stronger momentum, and reports a further reading in which uptrends trade between 40 and 80 and downtrends between 60 and 20.[1]

What does RSI divergence mean?

Interpretations conflict. Wilder treated divergence as a strong indication that a turning point is imminent. Cardwell is reported to treat bearish divergence as confirming an uptrend instead. The section carrying Cardwell material is tagged as citing no sources.[1]

Does RSI beat buy-and-hold?

The source reports Marek and Sediva (2017) finding that RSI can still produce good results but "in longer time it is usually overcome by the simple buy-and-hold strategy". This page does not test that.[1]

Is RSI the same as relative strength?

No. The article states explicitly that the indicator "should not be confused with relative strength", which compares one asset against another rather than measuring one asset against its own recent moves.[1]

How much history is enough for the RSI to settle?

The weight of a bar k periods back is (1 - 1/n)^k. For n = 14 that is about 11% at 30 periods, 1.2% at 60 and 0.014% at 120, so the effect of the start point fades geometrically. These are arithmetic from the smoothing constant, not a measurement in the source. Note this describes the weight of old data, not how much the RSI values themselves differ.[1]

Sources

  1. [1] Relative strength index
    Wikipedia (English) · 2026-09-23

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